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  • 1.  Is a LA required when installing a grounded AP-565

    Posted Aug 19, 2021 11:07 AM
    We are installing AP-565s on the outside walls of a building. They will be earthed using the supplied ground connectors. Do we also need to install a Gigabit Surge Protector between the AP and the switch? The Aruba website mentions "Industrial-strength surge protection" for the outdoor APs, so I'm hoping an additional Surge Protector isn't needed.

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    Mark Russell
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  • 2.  RE: Is a LA required when installing a grounded AP-565

    Posted Aug 23, 2021 11:12 AM
    Have not heard that before on the ethernet side, just for longer antenna cables on the RF side of the AP.

    I'll check internally.

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    Herman Robers
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  • 3.  RE: Is a LA required when installing a grounded AP-565

    Posted Aug 23, 2021 11:23 AM

    So *any* surge protection in general is meant to protect upstream or downstream devices from large surge events. Something like a direct or near direct strike should NOT be considered 'protected from' with either the internal surge protection (which is more about POE and inbound surge currents towards the AP from the network), and the ground lug on the AP bonded to a building or common ground is more of a 'sink' to shunt any buildup of static or nearby surge from the AP (electricity will always take least resistive path to ground).

    For the ethernet cable, the 'surge protector' on the ethernet is meant to be a path to ground sink for anything that may build up on the wire, or connection from the AP to the switch (in essence the ethernet surge protection is meant to protect the upstream switch). So without a ground sink in the ethernet path, any charge from the AP or interconnect could get induced/shunted to the ethernet cable and if the best ground path is the pins on the switch port, it's certainly possible that it could short out that switch port, a block of ports on that switch, fry the switch altogether, or (very worst case) other devices connected to that switch (and it goes both ways, if there's something like a cable modem connected to that switch and a surge comes in over the coax, it could jump to ethernet into the switch and fry the switch as well).

    So in terms of 'best practices' it's generally never bad to use an ethernet ground surge protector (either passive or active when integrated inside an outdoor power injector like the PD-9001GO). But it depends on local electrical code in the area where the APs are being deployed. And some customers feel storms and surge are not a huge risk and will assume that risk not using an ethernet surge protector. it's like UPS or Surge protectors on electronic equipment in the buildings. 



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    Jerrod Howard
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  • 4.  RE: Is a LA required when installing a grounded AP-565

    Posted Aug 23, 2021 12:03 PM
    I concur with Jerrod.  It is about protecting your downstream hardware.  I would also advise that you choose a reputable surge protector/lightning arrester.  We have had some frustrating troubleshooting experiences with off brand, low quality hardware.  






  • 5.  RE: Is a LA required when installing a grounded AP-565

    Posted Aug 23, 2021 12:04 PM
    Upstream rather.

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  • 6.  RE: Is a LA required when installing a grounded AP-565

    Posted Aug 23, 2021 12:15 PM
    Exactly correct, and I think that's likely why some of the use cases have diminished over the years. When it was 10/100 with AF power, or even 1G AF power, those were pretty reliable, even on the cheaper ones, but as power goes up, and as PHY rates have moved in to 2.5G and 5G PHY, with AT and BT power, those cheaper units don't hold up (and either cause too much PER or just don't work for surge). 

    SO it's another one of those 'this is no fun to spend money on' kind of thing, that often gets overlooked, or someone used a cheapo Eth surge unit, that caused issues, and they just removed it and never found a better alternative.

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  • 7.  RE: Is a LA required when installing a grounded AP-565

    Posted Aug 23, 2021 01:56 PM
    Thanks very much for all the very detailed information! Sounds like the Ethernet Surge Protection is advisable, whilst not necessarily being "essential" in all cases.

    Mark

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    Mark Russell
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